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tmoody
07-24-2007, 05:40 PM
I bought the Simple Swing ebook yesterday. I spent an hour or so practicing the basic swing movements without a ball: the backswing and wrist release and finish, mostly. The SS setup is virtually identical to what I was already doing.

For the record, I'm 53 and this is my 4th year playing. I average about 100 and my ball striking is very erratic, which is what motivated me to try SS in the first place. For reasons unclear to me, I have a strong tendency to contact the ball near the toe of the club. I inspect the grass marks on my irons after every stroke, and 95% of the time the marks are off the sweet spot, toward the toe. I of course lose distance and accuracy as a result.

Today I went to the practice range, meaning to try out the SS ideas. I warmed up by doing the movements without a ball. Then I tried hitting a few. I brought my 7i and driver, but tried only a half dozen or so with the driver (out of 45).

The session was a disaster. I couldn't make decent contact at all. Most of the shots just rolled 30 or so yds, a few got airborne, in various directions. In all cases the grass marks were near the toe, as usual. I tried standing a bit closer but that just caused me to jam the club into the ground.

I realize there's nothing you can do to fix the problem, but I'm going to play a round on Thursday. Do you suggest I forget about the SS while playing or should I try to take the system to the course (considering that so far it's not getting results). I'm a recreational golfer so there's nothing riding on it. I just don't know whether it's best to forget about the new swing while actually playing, as some suggest.

Thanks.

Todd

Edit: I'm not sure but I *think* my main problem is the left arm immediately at and after impact. In my "normal" swing I have a tendency to chicken wing the left arm. I fight this by telling myself to "stay extended", and it sometimes works. I'm somewhat indoctrinated by slo-mo videos of Tiger and other pros, swinging through with arms staying straight, going very high, as they pivot all the way toward the target and finish on the tip of the right toe. I can't *do* this very well of course, but it's my mental template of the swing.

The SS follow-through looks very different. As I understand it, the left elbow doesn't immediately separate from the body but stays connected during the wrist turn/release. To do so, it has to bend, but not with elbow up or out (chicken wing), but elbow down--just for a moment; then it can separate. That is, the left elbow in the follow-through mirrors the right elbow in the downswing. The SS finish still has the right foot lifted only slightly. In short, this part of the SS feels constricted. I think this is causing me problems.

tmoody
07-26-2007, 08:24 AM
Replying to my own message here....

I didn't play nine holes this morning after all; my friend couldn't make it. So I went to the practice range again. Once again, it was a disaster. Another bucket of balls sprayed around within 50 yards or so. I just brought one club with me; a 6i this time.

The problem seems to be with Step 4 of the Simple Swing. Although the idea of rotating my hands through the ball is familiar enough, I find that the moment of impact is so fleeting that I have zero awareness of what is happening, and no ability to *do* anything consciously. The idea of trying to stop, or somehow delay, my left elbow while swinging through the ball is beyond my comprehension, and my attempts to actually do so result in a train wreck. It says, "the left elbow should twist". I don't know what that means. My elbows don't twist. It says I can just think about flipping my right wrist over my left wrist, which I do understand. Does my left arm remain perfectly straight during this? When I really try to "flip my right wrist through the ball" the result is lots of badly pulled ground balls, 30-45 degrees offline to the left. If I'm flipping my wrists at impact, doesn't that mean that just prior to impact my club face would have to be open? Why would it be open when I've gone to such lengths not to **** my wrists in the backswing? I don't understand what it means to keep my left elbow "close to the body." When? During impact? It seems to me that the distance of my left elbow from my body at impact is determined by my setup and not by anything I do at the moment of impact. If I try to keep it close *after* impact then it's going to have to bend sooner rather than later, and if it starts to bend too soon, like an instant before impact, then it's going to pull the club up and top the ball--and I hit plenty of those too. In short, I'm an unhappy camper at the moment, and I just don't get what I'm supposed to do.

Bobby_Eldridge
07-26-2007, 08:59 AM
If you don't mind, let's take a few steps backwards. The first thing I want you to do is go to the side of a hill....Ball above your feet, not a real step grade but a nice incline. I do not want you to hit balls. I want you to make 50 swings. Stop after every swing and start over.

Number two, after you have completed that exercise I want you to hit 25 balls and I want you to write down EXACTLY where the ball went and how it got there.

7 iron:
Ex. #1 Topped straight
#2 Fat to the right
#3 Fat to the right
etc.
Send that info to me.

Number three, you are allowed to have only ONE swing thought for the ENTIRE session. I do not care what it is but just one and tell me what it was.

Number four, let me know and I will get you back on track.

tmoody
07-26-2007, 11:55 AM
Number four, let me know and I will get you back on track.

Okay, just finished. I'm in the car at the practice range writing this on my phone.

I practice on turf, never mats.

My swing thought was just to make good crisp contact with the ball. I used the SS setup and swing, but in most cases didn't give any thought to the wrist-flipping or left elbow stuff. I just brought it back with little or no wrist **** and tried to swing through.

For each stroke I noted carry, direction, how the contact felt, and where the grass mark on the club face was. "Ok" contact means it felt pretty good, not perfect.

1. 130 straight thin center
2. 130 left ok center
3. 110 straight thin heel (a little)
4. 100 straight fat toe (very)
5. 130 straight thin toe
6. 150 straight ok toe (a little)
7. 150 right ok toe
8. 40 left topper
9. 140 left ok toe
10. 130 straight ok toe
11. 130 left thin toe (very)
12. 140 left ok toe (a little)
13. 120 right ok toe (a little)
14. 120 left ok toe (very)
15. 120 straight ok toe (very)
16. 110 straight thin toe
17. 140 left thin toe
18. 110 right thin toe
19. 90 right fat toe (very)
20. 130 straight fat toe (a little)
21. 140 straight thin toe (very)
22. 20 right topper toe

tmoody
07-28-2007, 01:12 PM
I played 18 holes today, and scored 104, which is about 5 or 6 strokes worse than my recent average. I went to the practice range almost every day this week, to try to get a feel for the Simple Swing. The posture and setup are almost identical to what I had been doing. The backswing is a tad different. The impact situation is very different, and doesn't seem at all simple. Either I'm not doing it right or it's not a good fit for my natural swing form, whatever that might be. The extra strokes today were all the result of mis-hits, which is definitely not what I needed more of.

Bobby_Eldridge
07-30-2007, 11:10 AM
The next time out I want you to do a couple of things.

#1 I want you to make sure you turn two or three inches further than norma.
#2 I want you to make sure the shaft of the club at the top of the backswing is
pointing at lease towards the target and if you want to aim a little right of
target, go ahead and do so.
#3 I want you to make sure you are swinging back down on the correct path
from the inside to straigth and back inside again...
let me know what happens.

tmoody
07-30-2007, 11:44 AM
I'll give it a try. As a general thing, if I take my left arm past horizontal, I start to lose control and things unravel pretty fast. But I'll try to get a few more inches of shoulder turn. As for the direction of the shaft at the top of the backswing, I have no awareness of it, but I'll ask my partner what it's doing.

I'm not sure how to make sure I'm on the correct swing path. As far as I can tell, it varies from shot to shot, but that's just based on the results.

tmoody
07-30-2007, 05:09 PM
I went to the range and hit a few dozen balls. I worked on adding an inch two to my shoulder turn. I don't know where my club was pointing at the top, but since I'm still working the Simple Swing idea of not cocking the wrist much, I'd say it was mostly pointed about 45 degrees abv the target, but that's just a guess. I made good contact a few times, but on average the shots were wilder than last time. I tried to swing "easy" but for some reason I find it impossible to take the club back farther and swing easier. It's as if taking it back farther tells my body I need to hit harder.

Raymond
08-06-2007, 05:24 PM
On your VidioClip it Shows that you hit the ball in the middle of your stance for high lofted clubs but then you move it up as the club gets higher in you 1st instrution IE: E- BOOK you say to hit the ball in the middle of all clubs Except Driver were we should move it up the width of a ball What is the right way Thanks Raymond

Bobby_Eldridge
08-09-2007, 03:12 PM
You should start with the golf ball in the center of your stance for all clubs. Then you can start moving the ball forward for your own game. If you hit the ball with the correct trajectory, leave it in the middle. If you struggle with pulling the ball to the left, leave it alone.

Let me know if this helped answer your question.

Bobby_Eldridge
08-28-2007, 03:10 PM
Ball position is dictated by height and direction. If you struggle hitting the to the right move the ball a little bit towards the left foot.

Raymond
09-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Thanks Bobby
I see now Raymond

Bobby_Eldridge
10-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Can I answer a question for you?